Question 8

If there was no eternal reward, no life after death…would we still be christians?

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17 thoughts on “Question 8

  1. There seems to me to be 2 ways to answer this, are you asking if we would still be “nice people”, or are you asking, would we still be Christians.

    The first one I think depends on your experience of God, is He worth knowing and loving and serving even if it is only for this lifetime?

    The second, we are Christian because God is Christian first. He IS the Christian Life. So, yes, we would still be Christians.

    My 2Cents

  2. Hi Christo,
    I agree with your 2 sents and yes, I ask the question because I believe that in this life, God is enough. In other words, God is enough for us in this life even if He did not offer any perks. 🙂

  3. But it goes deeper i think.
    I mean this flies in the face of those who believe there is only reward AFTER this.

    There are believers who wait for their deaths to experience God. Can we experience Him enough in this lifetime so that whether you get save or not, it is enough to know Him now?

    I believe it is. And I believe this will turn the world around if more Christians believe that my experience of God, that my relationship with Gid in this life can be so full and satisfying and DEEP and powerful, that when I leave this earth, all that change is my body, but I know what I walk into because I have spend time in the invisibles/eternals in this Lifetime.

    We underestimate God’s passion, and we underestimate the enormity of the mystery “Christ in you, the hope of Glory.

  4. Hmm… Yeah, even if there was no ‘after-life,’ it would be far better to have a relationship with Him than not. Although, if there were no life after death, there would be no way to know Christ.

    “But now if Christ (the Messiah) is preached as raised from the dead, how is it that some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not risen; And if Christ has not risen, then our preaching is in vain [it amounts to nothing] and your faith is devoid of truth and is fruitless (without effect, empty, imaginary, and unfounded). We are even discovered to be misrepresenting God, for we testified of Him that He raised Christ, Whom He did not raise in case it is true that the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised; And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is mere delusion [futile, fruitless], and you are still in your sins [under the control and penalty of sin]; And further, those who have died in [[b]spiritual fellowship and union with] Christ have perished (are lost)! If we who are [abiding] in Christ have hope only in this life and that is all, then we are of all people most miserable and to be pitied.” 1 Corinthians 15:12-19 (Amplified)

    So, I think if there were no life after death, Christianity would not even exist – there would be no risen Christ. 😉

  5. I have yet to find out if there is eternal reward or life after death but this I do know – there is abundant life in the here and now,and brothers and sisters in Christ who love me dearly – The two reasons you posted are not why I am a Christian – I’m believing they are accurate but if they are not, deads dead and I’m not dwelling on that (perhaps I should).

  6. Hi Katherine, yes, it seems then we would still have an Old Testament Experience. The Temple (which is now Christ), the offering (which is now Christ), the High Priest (you guest it) etc. etc.

  7. Actually, I’m not even sure we would have those, since their purpose was to point to and lead to Christ. If there were no life after death, God would have had to approach us on a completely different level (one I can’t even imagine), else He would be a liar. If there were no life after death, what would we need to be saved from?

    I know that the probable purpose of this question was to see if we would be willing to follow God even without the reward promised after death. But the more tI think about this, the more I think it is an impossible question. If there really were no life after death, the whole nature of the universe would be changed – the whole nature of God and the creation would be changed. And the actual question was, “If there was no eternal reward, no life after death…would we still be christians?” I have to say, no, because the would be no Christ. Without Christ, no Christ-ians.

  8. Now my brain hurts.

    Katherine I like your thinking.
    So let’s say there was no creation yet. So only God existed. His life was the only life “out there”, no angel life, no human life, no animal life, no plantlife.

    And he decided to create….human life…only. And He decided to love the human as his own. Give Him earth and protect Him from sin.

    So what he does is, create a life, give it 80 years to live, and then the life dies.

    And in those 80 years, the person has the time to commune with God, and then die.

    (much like my dog, it lives, it dies, never to think about me again)

    Because as you say…”no Christ, no Christian”.
    And a Christian is a Christian because of whom is inside of Him. So we never have become Christians, but we have 80 years to get to know God, and then we died.
    Would that suffice? I have to agree with Katherine, no eternal life….no deal 🙂 .

    Interesting that all “big” religions promise life after death in some way 🙂

  9. Christo~

    Thanks! 🙂

    Hmm… Okay. Protected from sin… live 80 years… die. My problem is, if there is no sin, there is no death… So, if the human is protected from sin, the human will not die. Hmm… which seems to bring us back to a full circle… 😉

    Death, being a byproduct of sin, would not exist in a sinless creation. Hmm… death, where is your sting? ;D

  10. OK, death in the sense of: Stop existing. You simply fall to the ground and expire.

    Remember, we are talking about about God here, there can be death without sin, if he decided it so ;-). He makes the rules afterall.

    Anyway, would you? Worship him for 80 years and…expire?

  11. You know, in the above scenario… 80 years of communion with Him without this whole mess of sin and stuff in the way… Yeah. That’s what this weary soul would call bliss.

  12. Good, now how can I test your resolve?

    In that case here is the verdict (that will never be) I will cheat by replacing the word “Christ” with the word “God”

    1 Corinthians 15: 19 If we have only hoped in God in this life, we are of all men most pitiable.

    and verse 20 would never have existed: But now hath Christ been raised from the dead
    .

    Anyway, just wanted to be ridiculous for a moment (or couple of days).

  13. 8D Sometimes it is fun to be ridiculous – even for a couple of days. Most people don’t know that God has a sense of humor. I have heard Him laugh at things that would cause the religious eyebrows to go up. There is something that ushers in a sense of peace – God laughing with you.

  14. From another point of view – 1. if life on earth (whilst knowing Christ) is hell (giving from guilt, allowing yourself to be manipulated because you see yourself as a Christian, serving other because it’s the Christian thing to do),
    2. and anything of a shadow of life in heaven – then well, no thank you.
    But if knowing Christ, whether there are other perks (and/or responsibilities) except Him, is what heaven is about, by all means. But even that is selfish in its nature – because it’s about Him loving me and me loving Him in return. And His love makes life (whether here or in heaven) worth the effort, or I should rather say, the breathing.

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